Pro-Football-Reference utilizes Official NFL data for current NFL seasons. by Pottsville Mar… // Apr 04, 2012 - 2:10pm, In reply to Re: The 2006 Draft: Six Years Later by Arkaein. Highest pick: Huff, Texas, seventh overall to the Raiders. Best player: Ngata, Oregon, 12th overall to the Ravens, who's been voted first-team All-Pro by the Associated Press the past two seasons. We are number one. Beyond the top three, a small school shotgun spread quarterback who was a favored sleeper candidate was Omar Jacobs of Bowling Green. Are you a Stathead, too? I think they still take Broderick Bunkley, truthfully - they were in the market for a DT and he's the best one left according to your breakdown. I don't follow the Pack, but I've always thought of Jennings as more of a home-run type, with Driver being the 1st-down/move-the-chains guy. University of North Carolina pitchers Andrew Miller (6th overall, Tigers) and Daniel Bard (28th, Red Sox) and University of Texas teammates Drew Stubbs (8th overall, Reds) and Kyle McCulloch (29th, White Sox) went in the first round. Skyler Green brings speed to the return game, and I do like getting DT Montavious Stanley in the sixth round. Smith went to the kicker well again, drafting Kurt Smith out of Virginia with a sixth-round pick, 188th overall. Dallas: The Cowboys addressed all their needs: size in the front defensive seven, a tight end, safety, kick returner plus depth on the offensive line. In his defense, he changed it the second time because the REAL Kareem Abdul-Jabbar sued his jersey off. 2004 - 1 Super Bowl Champion: Indianapolis Colts. Best value: Finnegan was a steal in the seventh round. Hali might crack the top two. public liability insurance cost, by peterplaysbass // Apr 05, 2012 - 9:10am, In reply to Re: The 2006 Draft: Six Years Later by David Jonson, From Tanier, 2006: It might be more informative to calculate a draft value function that plots AV against draft position for all picks in a draft (this will be a line or a curve where AV trends down as draft position increases), and check how each pick lies relative to that curve, and calculate a total for each team, which indicate how well a team did at drafting within the context of the draft slots they had to work with. Domenik Hixon In reply to Re: The 2006 Draft: Six Years Later by sundown (not verified). So how is your system not doing the same mistake? Drafts-> NHL -> Entry -> 2006. by Danish Denver-Fan // Apr 04, 2012 - 11:04am. Forgot about supplementals, and he went fourth from the end. 2 is preposterous in a real draft because it's not considered a premium position. Wade Phillips, the switch to 3-4, Joseph and Manning in free agency, Watt and Reed through the draft, Barwin returning from injury, Cushing taking a big step forward, Quin moving to safety . Clearly if you want to look only at impact on the following season you're going to get a very different picture to the one you would looking at the long term performances of the players. We have updated our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. Is Mexico's CONCACAF dominance in jeopardy with so many young Americans making waves in Europe? by Podge (not verified) // Apr 05, 2012 - 7:52am, In reply to Re: The 2006 Draft: Six Years Later by Karl Cuba. Best value: 2006 was not a good draft for late-round quarterbacks, as only two players taken after third round ever did anything. I think they still take Broderick Bunkley, truthfully - they were in the market for a DT and he's the best one left according to your breakdown. In reply to Re: The 2006 Draft: Six Years Later by AnonymousD (not verified). Cornerbacks with speed to burn who were likely go in the first-round included Jimmy Williams, Kelly Jennings, Tye Hill, Johnathan Joseph, and Antonio Cromartie. Prove to me that a good returner provides that kind of value. In reply to Re: The 2006 Draft: Six Years Later by Pat (filler) (not verified). All started in the SB 1 yr later. In the sixth round, it doesn't even matter if you do have secret info on the guy, you risk someone picking him just because they need a warm body to throw in camp and hold the clipboard for a few seasons. Thankfully for Cardinals fans, they signed Kurt Warner and made it to the Super Bowl. (I'd say overall this draft is weirdly CB heavy. 20/20 hindsight drafts should usually have more first round corners than real drafts, according to this theory. Klopfenstein last played in 2009, while Byrd's career was resurrected by his college coach Pete Carroll in 2011 after he spent the previous three seasons out of the NFL. For a DE, the relevant supporting cast isn't necessarily the opposite DB, but can also be the NT, the CBs, S, etc. Wimbley and Jackson give Romeo Crennel starting linebackers in his 3-4 defense. Obviously it's impossible for us really to calculate this sort of thing. You can roll protection away from an elite DE who doesn't have a good mirror. Well, we did 2005 last year, in looking at Aaron Rodgers' rise. It's an interesting debate. In reply to Re: The 2006 Draft: Six Years Later by DisplacedPackerFan. No disrespect to ROBO-PUNTER, but punters don't earn AV. In reply to Re: The 2006 Draft: Six Years Later by Scott de B. The closest thing to a bust is the first pick in the third round, Charles Spencer, who suffered a nasty broken leg in his second game that more or less wrecked his career. The Colts get twos for Addai, Freddie Keiaho, Charlie Johnson, and Antoine Bethea. I like your system, its simple and pretty informative. I've seen Jennings motion inside Finley and run the TE routes while Finley was playing more like the WR too. AP Offensive Rookie of the Year: Ben Roethlisberger. Because DEs come in pairs and RBs typically don't? No, it's Hali, who has been brilliant since converting to the 3-4 as an OLB. AV is "approximate value" is a really complex formula designed to match what the majority opinion is on how valuable a player is. If I had to pick a receiver on my team for 2012, I'd pick Jennings and not Colston. This is a roundabout way of saying, I think most of the "stars" at LT are probably first round picks because what the hell else can a guy do to become a "star" at the position? by FrontRunningPhinsFan // Apr 06, 2012 - 9:37am. (Smith was outsacked by the his mirror DE a couple of times) That said, Smith's 1990 season was pretty much all him. Punishing teams more for really poor picks and capping the benefit of very good picks. By touchdowns, Jennings is in the lead, with 49, one ahead of Colston and 14 ahead of Marshall. "Also, do we mean by "know what we know now" just a literal translation of their stats and how much of it still nebulous. "My theory is that CB is a high-value position which tends to be in a sense under-drafted because projecting college CBs into the pros is incredibly difficult.". If you want to look at why the Rams have been terrible for the last few years, just look at the drafts in the middle of the decade. Joseph only missed a few plays here and there with minor knocks, and I was terrified every time. So Mario hasn't been too bad for a #1 pick. Here we go through the first round again, this time based on the results. Most people thought the depth was better at defensive end than at defensive tackle. He was the co-pilot. I'm also very glad Marshall is gone (and even if Shanny was around, his value has never been worth the big contract he received or his off-field issues). Ware, Spears, Burnett, Barber, Canty and Raitliff in the seventh. IMO, since his game doesn't depend on speed, he may age better than other WR's. Colston went 252nd overall? by Pottsville Mar… // Apr 04, 2012 - 1:08pm. Re: After all, if people knew how good players like Colston or Finnegan were, they would have gone in the first round, so it's hard to give too much credit to the Saints or Titans for uncovering them. #2 New Orleans Saints take Mario Williams DE North Carolina State Somehow, Reggie Bush ended up far short of the greatness of sliced bread, though he was still a very good return man and versatile chess piece for Sean Payton's offense. Statistics just don't do a very good job of measuring wide receivers. Colston 2007--98 of 144, 1202, 68%, 12.3, 11TD, 16.8%, #14, 351, #5, Jennings 2008--80 of 140, 1292, 57%, 16.2, 9TD, 9.6%, #21, 243, #12 Ok, let's have a crack at the actual first round, given team needs at the time (and retaining draft day trades, because I can't be bothered to go back and try to unpick them): #1 Houston Texans take Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt #10 Arizona Cardinals take Maurice Jones-Drew RB UCLA On the other hand, you could instead have the quarterback USC lost to, Texas' Vince Young. About logos. Anyway, this is leading down into a very circular and totally speculative argument... by Anonymousse (not verified) // Apr 08, 2013 - 12:55pm, In reply to Re: The 2006 Draft: Six Years Later by chemical burn. Our reasoning for presenting offensive logos. I don't even think 2006 was our worst one. The impact of picking poorly close to when Colston is drafted is much greater in your system. Colston is a first-down machine, and always has been. Perennial "top FO prospect" Jerious Norwood and Jerome Harrison had their moments, but never became consistent producers. Re: the contract, I'll wager that Jennings may get a bigger contract--but it has nothing to do with either WR's perceived value. I think that would be more informative. I'm just curious as to other flaws in the thought process. If coaches are so convinced that Vince Young has a chance to be a good NFL starter, why the hell is he still a free agent? Few drafts in recent memory offered the star power of 2006, but what's your take on the top talents now? Colston 2008--47 of 88, 760, 53%, 16.2, 5TD, 2.8%, #33, 111, #33 The Eagles, Packers, Cardinals, and Titans all earn “A” grades from Robinson with the Broncos getting an A-minus. variety. And Richard Marshal? I think most numerical analyses have revealed Millen to have been worse than we all thought. AP Offensive Rookie of the Year: Dak Prescott. NFL Draft 2008 – Round 4 – Dallas Trades Down Again – And Again!- And Again! The 2006 NFL draft narrative quickly became centered around the debate of whether Mario Williams or Reggie Bush would become the better player. I'd also have to say that Hester is by far the best Special Teams player in the draft. To be fair, I think there was a severe case on locker-room rot going on, and while individually many of these headcases probably could be managed, the combined effect meant that the inmates were somewhat running the asylum. Even if Jennings is better in 2011, and I don't know if he was or not, how are we arguing that Jennings is clearly better? the official stats partner of the NFL. Very much a useful player, though, and I doubt Belichick regrets the second round pick. To illustrate what I mean a little more, an average receiver probably has more value than an average corner because when a receiver fails to do his job, the offense can choose not to use him. But yes, of course we're projecting based on what we do know. #4 New York Jets take D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia I mean, whatever on Hixon and Eslinger. It would have looked even better in hindsight if McDaniels hadn't completely torpedoed Tony Scheffler's career. by Jim D (not verified) // Apr 04, 2012 - 1:45pm.

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